Return of the King Trailer !!!

[MK-Sonic]

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So there's actually more towards Faramir and Éowyn's romance finally? I don't even remember seeing it in the films! Ah, well...

I dunno, I've often thought that Mithrandir vs The Witch-king would end up a pretty even fight. Sure, one could go through the whole "but Mithy's a Maia, like Gorthaur, so he should be all über!" or whatever; but his Istar state does kind of limit his abilities, so really he's probably just as good as a High Elf from the First Age, like Glorfindel or Galadriel. The Witch-king was a Man, learned a good chunk of sorcery (like how he commanded the Barrow-Wights decades before), and was even given added dæmonic strength by Gorthaur. So, yeah, they're somewhat even in a way. Wait, except the Witch-king has a flying steed. Pwnage. XD

Still, I'd much rather see Glorfindel fight a Balrog or Fingolfin fight Morgoth. Or even Fëanor burst into flame when he died! Come to think of it, a fighting game wouldn't be such a bad idea... of course likely they'd still base it on the films, so Gorthaur would still be this fiery eyeball. Probably shot laser beams or something.

Which is more corruptive, the Ruling Ring, or the films? Hmm...

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[Ted]

Originally Posted by MK-Sonic

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I dunno, I've often thought that Mithrandir vs The Witch-king would end up a pretty even fight. Sure, one could go through the whole "but Mithy's a Maia, like Gorthaur, so he should be all über!" or whatever; but his Istar state does kind of limit his abilities, so really he's probably just as good as a High Elf from the First Age, like Glorfindel or Galadriel. The Witch-king was a Man, learned a good chunk of sorcery (like how he commanded the Barrow-Wights decades before), and was even given added dæmonic strength by Gorthaur. So, yeah, they're somewhat even in a way. Wait, except the Witch-king has a flying steed. Pwnage. XD

I'd put the edge on Gandalf the White. Sent back, he seems to have much more access to 'open strength', shall we put it, than he did before his 'death'. He's probably up a little on Galadriel, whom Tolkien rates as one of the Top Three of his Elves (have to look up the reference, but despite Fingolfin's showing against Morgoth, those three are Fëanor, Lúthien, and Galadriel).

I'd say that one on one, I'd put the edge on Gandalf. Gandalf the GREY killed a Balrog, for crying out loud. Gandalf the White...

Still, I'd much rather see Glorfindel fight a Balrog or Fingolfin fight Morgoth. Or even Fëanor burst into flame when he died! Come to think of it, a fighting game wouldn't be such a bad idea... of course likely they'd still base it on the films, so Gorthaur would still be this fiery eyeball. Probably shot laser beams or something.

The Glorfindel fight would be interesting to see. I mean...he guts the damn thing with a knife. A KNIFE. Nice work. :) The Fingolfin/Morgoth fight would be a fine thing to see. I'd also like to watch Tuor duke it out with Maeglin on the walls of Gondolin, with the bloody city crumbling around them.

Actually, I'd like to see the entire Silmarillion done, front to back, RIGHT. That would probably take about...lord, who knows how many feature films?

I'd also like to see a REAL fight between Gil-galad, Elendil, and Sauron, not that truncated, somewhat Hollywoodized thing in the movie.

Sauron the Lighthouse of Doom would be a horrible thing to see in a fighting game. Ugh.

Which is more corruptive, the Ruling Ring, or the films? Hmm...

Definitely the films.

[MK-Sonic]

Originally Posted by Ted

I'd put the edge on Gandalf the White. Sent back, he seems to have much more access to 'open strength', shall we put it, than he did before his 'death'. He's probably up a little on Galadriel, whom Tolkien rates as one of the Top Three of his Elves (have to look up the reference, but despite Fingolfin's showing against Morgoth, those three are Fëanor, Lúthien, and Galadriel).
I'd say that one on one, I'd put the edge on Gandalf. Gandalf the GREY killed a Balrog, for crying out loud. Gandalf the White...

Ya ever noticed this one, weird.. 'thing' with Balrog fights? Usually if the Balrog is slain by a lesser fighter, it involves them falling from a great height (though in Durin's Bane's case, he still fought on after the fall. Water must've softened the landing). Of course then again, all the Balrog really had was a whip while Mithrandir had Glamdring; kind of uneven there, but meh. And why was it so big in the movie? Fifteen feet max, maybe, but certainly not that big. But at any rate, even or not I'd still go for Mithy to win. He could, um, turn him into a newt! Of course I just remembered that lines he said about him being the most dangerous thing Merry (or Pippin?) would come across save being thrown at the Dark Lord's throne. Guess that makes him second best, huh?

Originally Posted by Ted

The Glorfindel fight would be interesting to see. I mean...he guts the damn thing with a knife. A KNIFE. Nice work. :) The Fingolfin/Morgoth fight would be a fine thing to see. I'd also like to watch Tuor duke it out with Maeglin on the walls of Gondolin, with the bloody city crumbling around them.

I really wanna see Morgy break Fingolfin's body. I mean I can just imagine him picking the Elf up and snapping him in half, though it's probably not that literal.

Originally Posted by Ted

Actually, I'd like to see the entire Silmarillion done, front to back, RIGHT. That would probably take about...lord, who knows how many feature films?

I'd also like to see a REAL fight between Gil-galad, Elendil, and Sauron, not that truncated, somewhat Hollywoodized thing in the movie.

I've often thought about that, and personally I think it'd be better off as a TV mini-series. Then again, maybe just having it as a book is truly the best bet, since atleast you can imagine the characters as you like. Didn't Gorthaur pick Gil-Galad up and set him on fire from his body heat, alone? Of course seeing Celebrimbor as a banner would be fun, too.

Galadriel later brings down the walls of Dol Guldur and lays bare it's pits, so I wanted to draw a pick of her with a sledgehammer slung over her shoulder and a mean, nasty smile across her face; what kind of outfit goes good with that? I already planned on giving Curunír of Many Colours a tie-dye T-shirt. ^_^

[Vic Viper]

Originally Posted by Ted

I'd put the edge on Gandalf the White. Sent back, he seems to have much more access to 'open strength', shall we put it, than he did before his 'death'. He's probably up a little on Galadriel, whom Tolkien rates as one of the Top Three of his Elves (have to look up the reference, but despite Fingolfin's showing against Morgoth, those three are Fëanor, Lúthien, and Galadriel).

Gandalf does have one of the Elven Rings of power.

And speaking of Galadriel messing up Dol Guldur, anyone played Battle for Middle Earth yet? It looks like a mixture of Warcraft (unit types) and Battle for Dune (not just game engine, but how you have to invade territory like Battle for Dune, during campaign mode).

[Ted]

Originally Posted by MK-Sonic

Ya ever noticed this one, weird.. 'thing' with Balrog fights? Usually if the Balrog is slain by a lesser fighter, it involves them falling from a great height (though in Durin's Bane's case, he still fought on after the fall. Water must've softened the landing). Of course then again, all the Balrog really had was a whip while Mithrandir had Glamdring; kind of uneven there, but meh. And why was it so big in the movie? Fifteen feet max, maybe, but certainly not that big.

Fifteen feet is frigging huge. Check it out against the size of a building. Now imagine a flaming demon that tall, broad shoulders and all.

Not to mention the fact that this isn't a flesh and blood Giant. This is a fallen Maia. Lot more than physical might there.

It shows that Gandalf wasn't a lesser fighter. The Balrog didn't just fall with him, like Gothmog with Ecthelion or the Balrog with Glorfindel (I). Gandalf tossed him off the top of the bloody mountain "And my foe smote the mountain with his fall", or something like that. Boom. No question who won, even if Gandalf did die afterward.

But at any rate, even or not I'd still go for Mithy to win. He could, um, turn him into a newt! Of course I just remembered that lines he said about him being the most dangerous thing Merry (or Pippin?) would come across save being thrown at the Dark Lord's throne. Guess that makes him second best, huh?

That's pretty much the way it stands. Sauron, Gandalf (considerably lower), then probably Galadriel, Elrond (with Elven Ring), and slap the Witchking way down to fourth. :)

I really wanna see Morgy break Fingolfin's body. I mean I can just imagine him picking the Elf up and snapping him in half, though it's probably not that literal.

I think it's more along the lines of 'The Lord of Fetters picks up the High King and folds him, snapping his spine" sort of thing, not actually ripping him in twain.

Didn't Gorthaur pick Gil-Galad up and set him on fire from his body heat, alone? Of course seeing Celebrimbor as a banner would be fun, too.

Galadriel later brings down the walls of Dol Guldur and lays bare it's pits, so I wanted to draw a pick of her with a sledgehammer slung over her shoulder and a mean, nasty smile across her face; what kind of outfit goes good with that? I already planned on giving Curunír of Many Colours a tie-dye T-shirt. ^_^

Galadriel's got the umph to go into Dol Guldur and lay waste to the place, and does, backed up by Celeborn and the Galadhrim.

Another fight scene to see - when Eregion gets destroyed by Sauron in a fit of pique, and Celebrimbor pulls a Húrin, fighting at the doors of the Jewel-smithy until they finally pull him down.

Actually, I'd like to see Húrin at the fens of Serech, too. :)

I don't know if Sauron actually PICKED UP Gil-galad, but he certainly was burned by the heat of Sauron's body. The fact is, Elendil and Gil-galad FOUGHT Sauron; they didn't just get beat down like in the movie. They went two on one with him, and all three of them fell. Being what he was, death of physical body really wasn't a loss for Sauron, as long as the Ring existed (I mean, it had already happened during the fall of Númenor...).

Then Isildur finished the job by walking up to Sauron's body and, picking up his father's dwarf-forged sword (now snapped like a twig), cut off the ring.