So, Virtua Fighter 5.

[Hayabusa]

http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140761

Vanessa still looks really hot. In fact, so does the whole bloody game despite there being no fighting to speak of as yet.

Goh's looking more badass than ever, and he may have a full moves list this time! You know, one with as many moves as everyone else.

[Izanami]

I was gonna post VF5 news yesterday - I thought there may have been a thread already...

...also, REY MYSTERIO!

[Hayabusa]

And a breakdancing monkey ninja girl!

Holy crap, the character models in this game look awesome.

Edit: OH GOD, ABDOMINAL MUSCLES. Save me, Sega of America! Save me!

Oh, and this is here too:

http://www.atey14.dsl.pipex.com/VF5.jpg

[Redux]

Here's some other screens:
http://ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/ruliboard/read.htm?num=38594&table=game_xbox&main=xbox

[cka]

My jaw hit the floor when I saw the cell cam movie of the trailers, I seriously can't wait to see the "official" stuff from AM2. And supposedly this lindbergh platform runs on a nvidia gpu so it's looking more and more likely that this is going to end up on ps3. :D

[Caj]

Here's some other screens:
http://ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/ruliboard/read.htm?num=38594&table=game_xbox&main=xbox

their face renders(especially Wolfs after his lockjaw look in VF4) look a lot better then compared to VF4 from what I can tell.Hopefully the animations are just as good and they wont over gloss the characters making them look like they bathed in grease.

[Caj]

trailer up at ign.com now.Also it seems like theres a new girl(looks somewhat like Ling from Tekken) and. . . . a LUCHADORE :D

[Izanami]

Hence, the REY MYSTERIO comment.

Can't wait - I know someone else who'll no doubt be on this shit. :D

[Izanami]

Also...

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/298/sega102cl.jpg

[Hayabusa]

Looks like Goh got his claws into Akira's skin at some point. It's odd seeing Akira with scars, though most fighting games have characters that don't pick up even the slightest bit of lasting damage from being punched forty times in the face and booted down a flight of stairs.

Of course, Wolf's comments made me laugh a little. Why is he always full of such weird and stilted lines?

And I couldn't get that IGN trailer to work, so I had to run off and find the alternate 1up version that I posted. Anyone manage to actually download it?

[Jigsaw]

I guess virtual bike shorts and sports bras are dangerous even to Japanese kids this time around. :/ Van's still looks hot though.

Rey is totally the main attraction though, and I AM getting this game, just to play him. Duck Queen looks sweet too.



edit: wait, she's still just wearing a bra. The bike shorts are sorely missed, though. :(

[Internet]

SHUN DI LOOKS LIKE PAI MEI NOW!! SOLD!!!

Edit: Kage and Akira could use new outfits though. Christ, Kage looks like somebody that Ryu Hayabusa would slice the fuck up in the first stage.

[TODE]

I got the WMA version to work but not the QT version.

The new characters look pretty interesting, but I've never really liked VF. Not that it's bad, it's just different.

It's like how you like the type of milk you were raised on best and other milk just doesn't taste right.

[Internet]

I missed the new characters...

edit: Oh, because I quit early.

[Ralf]

I got the WMA version to work but not the QT version.

The new characters look pretty interesting, but I've never really liked VF. Not that it's bad, it's just different.

It's like how you like the type of milk you were raised on best and other milk just doesn't taste right.I don't know, I was raised on whole milk and changed to 2%. But I'll still never be as good at VF as I am at Tekken.

[TODE]

I go the other way: I was raised on nonfat/skim, so everything else tastes too creamy.

[Hayabusa]

I missed the new characters...

edit: Oh, because I quit early.
Yikes, just as I was replying to this I got the edited version pop up in the 'reply' page. Outspounded, totally.

And yeah, Kage's looking a bit dull - especially compared to Vanessa (who really is looking great), Jacky and Sarah.

Shun Di looks like Pai Mei? Double sold.

As for me, VF is a huge favourite of mine. It just plays brilliantly, has the 'flow' I look for in a game and... man, it's good.

[Esco]

The new girl's doing Chinese Monkey fist. Considering how well they've done Baji Quan, Seven Star Mantis, Drunken Fist, and Shaolin, I can't wait to see how she turns out. Probably give her at least 2-3 stances.

[Grey]

Looks like Goh got his claws into Akira's skin at some point. It's odd seeing Akira with scars, though most fighting games have characters that don't pick up even the slightest bit of lasting damage from being punched forty times in the face and booted down a flight of stairs.

Or thrown off a cliff/into a volcano/very high thing.

[carbonater]

This looks nice. About the costume thing, I was thinking it's time for everyone to get some new threads.

[Hayabusa]

Or thrown off a cliff/into a volcano/very high thing.
I was going to make reference to Kazuya, but he never picked all those scars up from his fights alone. I doubt Akira's been chucked into a volcano at any point, so his are the first naturally developed scars I think I've seen since Sagat - and that was a storyline thing to show how awesome the Dragon Punch was.

Hmm... anyone else?

And I noticed that girl was doing monkey fist right off the bat - which is weird, because I don't really know much about the style.

[Esco]

This looks nice. About the costume thing, I was thinking it's time for everyone to get some new threads.
and new voices for Wolf and Lion :|

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

My... Aoi looks beautiful.

Just for this game (and Shenmue 3) I'd get a XB360 :3

BTW, between Jacky and Goh there's a guy I can't recognize. Who is he? EDIT: Forget it. It's Vanessa :/

[Hayabusa]

A guy you can't recognise? Despite the womanly voice, the pefectly sculpted body and the black skin? And you failed to notice it was Vanessa and thought it was a man instead?

Double ' :/ ' and I raise you twenty.

[Esco]

Sarah was between Goh and Jacky so I didn't know where the hell he was coming from

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

Hayabusa and Esco:

-No sound in this computer, so I can't tell anything about the voice.
-I watched the pics site first, and the quality was terrible, so I couldn't watch clearly who was who (except the chars I know since VF2). I did notice after downloading the video.
-I'm not a Vanessa fan (not in the opposite side either, but she could simply be removed from the game and I wouldn't care :smalltran ).

[Hayabusa]

I'm not a Vanessa fan (not in the opposite side either, but she could simply be removed from the game and I wouldn't care :smalltran ).
What kind of world do we live in where people can say such horrid, horrid things to one another? ;_;

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

What kind of world do we live in where people can say such horrid, horrid things to one another? ;_;
._. didn't want to hurt your feelings (though I'm still not a Vanessa fan... I respect the character, but I wouldn't be interested in using her).

[Hayabusa]

Woe unto my life!

Nah, I don't take this kind of thing as seriously as I sometimes act I do. That's not to say I don't think Vanessa isn't really, really awesome though - and I have to say, I think she's looking better than ever.

So's everyone else, but it's her costume that grabbed my attention. It's that 'tough chick' image I love so much.

[virtua]

Ahhh....Lady Van.... :spooge:
It's like an awesome compromise; "So the American 1p costume sucked...but she's gotta be in a jacket. We'll have the jacket open, what the hell!"
Yeah yeah yeah.
About time they added another female character. Cool.

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

BTW the new girl looks weird. Probably because of her fighting style :x (well... Lion is also weird, but meh).


A very crazy (but relatively possible) dream I've always had: Shenmue characters as selectable chars in a VF game AKA more n00b-friendly Akira (Ryo), Guizhang, even those weird 4 guys from Lan Di's organization.

[Hayabusa]

I doubt there'll be any Ryo rumours this time, though it might be cool if Akira's costumes can be changed to make you look a bit more like him. I mean, at the end of Shenmue 2 you already had a number of his moves.

Joy costume. Rowr. (Not for Akira, mind.)

[Internet]

GUUUUUUUUUYS, look who it is.

[Nezumiiro]

All I know is, that Akira model looks good... I mean DAMN good, moreso than any Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within 60-gajillion pieces of hair model.

[Teirusu]

I can't wait to play this. Although, I wonder, who does the voice direction for the English-speaking characters? I aways figured they were terrible because all the voice directors are Japanese and thus can't find/know any good English voice direction.

[Broke]

Shun's beard looks fucking amazing...I need this game and I need it, NOW.
Wolf's lines crack me up, "Shut up...just come on!"

[ryucross]

Wow. Just wow. I can't wait to hear what gameplay changes they make.

Just put it on X360 and Live, I'll gladly be on every night getting my ass whooped by cka.

[ICEMAN299]

Looks great, I'm really looking forward to this. The models all look smooth moving and seamless and I'm also pleased to see Goh.

[Grey]

and new voices for everyone :|

That's more like it.

Hmm... anyone else?

I could toss a few names into the hat but they're all for story line, similar to Sagat's scar.

[Onimaru]

Looks great, hopefully it'll get a multi-system release. Though to be honest, if the next gen systems really cost as much as they look like they're gonna, I may have to hunt down an arcade to play it....

[Nezumiiro]

Lets hope they make this installment of VF actually playable. hyuck hyuck

[Esco]

That's more like it.
I really don't have an issue with Akira, Lau, Lei Fei, most of the Japanese VA's. Lau's "OOYYYEEEEEEAAAAA" I really like, just about all the fighting noises are on-point and powerful. Even Vanessa and Jeffry suit the characters pretty well at times. But Lion and Wolf's lines are so bad and delivered so terribly that my head gets thrown back with laughter so hard I get whiplash. Sarah and Jacky's fighting sounds are particularly bad, especially with Jacky's incessant "YEAAAHHHHHHH"s. I'd just dropkick all the english VA's to the curb.

"I DON'T MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR OLD MEN!"
*eyes roll back so hard the optic nerve severs and the eyeballs tumble in the sockets like boulders chasing Indiana Jones*

[Hayabusa]

Ah! One of Vanessa's comments suited her down to the bone, but I can't remember it any more since I lost my copy of VF4 Evo ages ago. :/

It was one of her intro lines, anyway.

Personal worst character voices: Lion, Wolf.

[Internet]

Did you not hear Jacky? Lion has one of my most-used real-life videogame quotes. "WHY am I so great!?"

[Hayabusa]

I doubt you say it like he does, though.

'I don't make allowances for old men.' (goofy face)

[Jigsaw]

Well, yes, but



YEAH!!
YEAH!!
YEAH!!



God damn, I fucking hate Jacky. Sarah's "YAHOO" is really, really gay too.

[EvilNeil]

Lets hope they make this installment of VF actually playable. hyuck hyuck
Surely that would entail enraging proper VF players by "dumbing down" the game by a huge degree? I don't think they'd like that at all.

It's not that much work anyway, certainly not to just get 'average'. I put VF4E on last night (fired by a combination of this discussion, the VF cartoon and Sarah Bryant's sparkling posterior) and although I'd forgotten a lot of the moves, I still "got" the thing the way I did before.

Definitely worth the extra effort, IMO. Fucking incredible game.

[EvilNeil]

And I've always felt that the brain-damaged VAs were part of the series' awkward, unfriendly charm.

[Redux]

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/243/929654_20050901_screen001.jpg

[Hayabusa]

Definitely worth the extra effort, IMO. Fucking incredible game.
Absolutely. My second (or possibly third) favourite fighting game of all time, and one I WISH I COULD FIND. (Searches under cushions)

Oh well, maybe I should just try and find a Japanese copy - for obvious reasons.

Something's odd about Sarah's face there, for some reason.

[cka]

I really don't have an issue with Akira, Lau, Lei Fei, most of the Japanese VA's. Lau's "OOYYYEEEEEEAAAAA" I really like, just about all the fighting noises are on-point and powerful. Even Vanessa and Jeffry suit the characters pretty well at times. But Lion and Wolf's lines are so bad and delivered so terribly that my head gets thrown back with laughter so hard I get whiplash. Sarah and Jacky's fighting sounds are particularly bad, especially with Jacky's incessant "YEAAAHHHHHHH"s. I'd just dropkick all the english VA's to the curb.

"I DON'T MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR OLD MEN!"
*eyes roll back so hard the optic nerve severs and the eyeballs tumble in the sockets like boulders chasing Indiana Jones*


^^^ what a knucklehead!

edit: SHUT UP .......... COME ON!

[Hayabusa]

Shit. I'm guessing that my VF Evo is probably in the dead PS2.

Oh well, screwdriver time.

[virtua]

Absolutely. My second (or possibly third) favourite fighting game of all time, and one I WISH I COULD FIND. (Searches under cushions)

Oh well, maybe I should just try and find a Japanese copy - for obvious reasons.

Something's odd about Sarah's face there, for some reason.


Always tempting -assuming one can deal with the mess of modding the PS2.
...
So then does the Jap Vanessa have a different or larger item set as her 1P and 2P are drastically different.

[Hayabusa]

I dunno. But she actually has two costumes in that version, and not just a pallette swap.

A modded PS2 is great.

[WW3]

Just put it on X360 and Live, I'll gladly be on every night getting my ass whooped by cka.
And I've always felt that the brain-damaged VAs were part of the series' awkward, unfriendly charm.


Great pics of Sarah, now let's see Pai & Aoi!!!!

[Grey]

I really just can't stand most of the VA's in Evo though. I usually play as Jacky, but considering half of his combos end with YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! I find myself switching to other, less annoying characters...who im not as good with.

Maybe they could write it into the story line that he suffered a form a throat cancer from chain smoking inbetween fights and can now only talk with a remote voice box. NO.BOD.Y. CAN. STOP. ME.

[Hayabusa]

I have to admit that Lion's voice is the only one that actively pisses me off while I'm fighting. Jacky sounds like a complete tool, but it doesn't annoy me for some reason or other.

So, do you think that they'll censor Vanessa's unholy, satanic, child corrupting, God perverting costume choices this time around? I'd have thought we'd be past all that garbage back when VF4 Evo came out (especially since their twisted morality police were evidently having lunch when the original VF4 came shipped), but you never really know with game companies these days.

In other words, I'm still looking for a Japanese copy of Evo. It's proving difficult to find.

[Izanami]

I don't mind the VA's in VF - at least it gives you something to talk about, other than the bland designs. (:

I do like Sarah's voice anyway.

And now, dare I say it, she looks better than Nina. Perhaps a lot better than Nina.

*wants VF5*

[Redux]

Not on topic but more of a sort of question:
It seems that new LINDBERGH Arcade from Sega ( http://www.system16.com/sega/hrdw_lindbergh.html )is more or less a pc. What would the chances be that the arcade games based on this system will come out on pc in a legal way (or possibly when using an emulator)?
Just a matter of disabling/cracking the protection & make an emulator so you can play, right?

[GEL]

Wake me when either custom characters are announced or a Vanessa pic appears, preferrably of her kickboxing.

[Jigsaw]

Just a matter of disabling/cracking the protection & make an emulator so you can play, right?
Yeah... just like CPS-3.

[Hayabusa]

Ah! Ah! I just remembered the Vanessa quote that I loved so much! Her accent made it so incredibly cool:

A couple of practice punches, then 'You're not a worthy opponent.'

Well, that's all I was posting for. It's been bugging me for the past few hours.

[Izanami]

Vanessa had a decent voice - her quotes weren't bad either...

Though Sega should give Lion new ones.

[Broke]

All this talk of the character's voices brings back memories.
Anyone a fan of Lau's "HOOOWAHHHHHHHHHH!!!" scream? That shit scares me everytime I hear it.
I hope they make Brad sound like less queer this time.

[Grey]

And now, dare I say it, she looks better than Nina. Perhaps a lot better than Nina.

*wants VF5*

Sarah is Nina done right. Especially Sarah with red hair option (no brunette unlocked in quest yet. ; ; )

[Hayabusa]

Yeah, my Sarah had red, layered hair. She looked great. :D

Some of the colours and items were a nightmare to unlock - I'd forgotten how long some of them took to obtain.

Hmm... I guess I'll just have to buy a new copy of Evo, which sucks.

[EvilNeil]

Sarah is Nina done right.
Why does such what is quite clearly unthinkable blasphemy of the most awful kind ... sound so right?

[Internet]

Why does such what is quite clearly unthinkable blasphemy of the most awful kind ... sound so right?
I thought it was the opposite. Since Sarah came first, and Nina, you know, has changed clothes once or twice over the last 10 years... and she's not related to Jacky. :x

[Grey]

Why does such what is quite clearly unthinkable blasphemy of the most awful kind ... sound so right?

Because of Death by Degrees.

[Hayabusa]

Nina was in Nina, though. That shakes her down a little.

I prefer Sarah, mainly because I despise Nina in T5. Her personality's too horrible, and watching her in any tournament level video is snooze-worthy.

Dyle, you up for a game of SF3?

Edit: Grey outspounds me again. And loses his Jill AV! Ack!

[EvilNeil]

Because of Death by Degrees.
DbD was incredibly sexy, though. It may have harmed Namco's reputation as makers of good games, but Her Williamsness came out of it entirely unscathed. Now where's that life-size DbD bikini poster?


And I don't know why exactly I get such a naughty thrill wgen I say I like Sarah more. She's just a rarer and more dangerous fandom.

[Grey]

Now where's that life-size DbD bikini poster?

Lucky for you, somebody posted this on 4chan today.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9458/11259941133310xe.jpg

[EvilNeil]

Link to thread, pls. :)

And besides, I meant this one (http://www.highervoltage.net/misc/deathbydegrees_artbook_poster.jpg).

[Internet]

Dyle, you up for a game of SF3?

Normally I'd say yes, but I tried playing about 3 hours ago and was having severe connection problems with a local gamer. And now, I'm about an hour away from having to go to work. So long story short, I'll be off tomorrow, and this time I won't forget :)

[Grey]

Link to thread, pls. :)

And besides, I meant this one (http://www.highervoltage.net/misc/deathbydegrees_artbook_poster.jpg).

That's lovely.

Thread in question. (http://zip.4channel.org/v/res/180237.html) Anonynonynonymouse is still waiting on that "other" render they mentioned.

[Hayabusa]

Yeah, our last game did have a few bumps on the connection which is odd because our other games were pretty much perfect. Is someone else at your place abusing the line?

Re: Images. I actually found some new Sarah and Vanessa stuff, but they're too dirty to post on a clean and pristine topic like this.

Off topic: What the hell? I just saw one of my Live buddies playing Kof 2003. The bastard!

[EvilNeil]

Grey: 180373 posted one of my scans. I'm such a useful member of the internet. :D

[Grey]

Complete the thread and help us find the subject of 180274's post. I'll ask in the HOT HOT Art thread, somebody in there must have seen it before, perhaps even saved it.

[EvilNeil]

He's lying, though! Or grossly misinformed. Can you honestly imagine such an image existing, and no-one here having it, or knowing about it?

[Jigsaw]

You know, I've never thought about it before... but DbD Nina kinda looks a bit like Laura Prepon. :d

[Hayabusa]

Anyway, back to some serious VF5 discussion.

http://www.atey14.dsl.pipex.com/Sarah.jpg

:D

[Izanami]

It's Dural with a Sarah disguise. :bigtran:

[Hayabusa]

It's worth it for the added shine.

Hey, I wonder who won the fourth tournament? VF always has someone actually win (and not just the focal characters), which is kind of nice.

[virtua]

Re: Images. I actually found some new Sarah Vanessa stuff, but they're too dirty to post on a clean and pristine topic like this.


Well, as long as it goes up somewhere HOT HOT, or what have you...

[Hayabusa]

Well, as long as it goes up somewhere HOT HOT, or what have you...
Why was Sarah scored out? ;_;

[virtua]

Just that I've already got ample hot blondage in various medias, and that good Vanessa is so much harder to come by.

[Teirusu]

It's worth it for the added shine.

Hey, I wonder who won the fourth tournament? VF always has someone actually win (and not just the focal characters), which is kind of nice.

I heard it has been the character of whoever won Sega's last big VF tourney before the game was made. So if we find out who won the most recent Sega-sponsored tourney we can probably have a good idea of who it is.

[Hayabusa]

That was certainly the case in the original VF, which was Lau. I'm not sure they're still doing that, though they very well might be.

Do you know if it was a Kage player who won the VF3 finals?

[Teirusu]

The problem is I don't, and I don't know where to find that info.

[Hayabusa]

Virtuafighter.com, maybe.

I'm not desperate for the information, mind, it's just a little side piece of knowledge to stow away.

[virtua]

Amazing.
So while Sega is almost allergic to innovating in the actual plot, they've allowed the ongoing story be determined by player ability?!

*cranial exprosion*

First I'd ever heard, but if it's still happening than that might explain the somewhat schizo victor's list -and why the resident House Ryu fails to carry the day time and time again.

[ryucross]

I thought Akira was the winner of Virtua Fighter 2's tournament.

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

I thought Akira was the winner of Virtua Fighter 2's tournament.
If I'm not wrong, according to VF3TB's booklet, yeah, you're right.

[Hayabusa]

I thought Akira was the winner of Virtua Fighter 2's tournament.
He was.

[EvilNeil]

I heard it has been the character of whoever won Sega's last big VF tourney before the game was made. So if we find out who won the most recent Sega-sponsored tourney we can probably have a good idea of who it is.
I really like that idea. Capcom should have done it, too.

And WAS there even a 4th VF tournament? I don't know about the first game, but Evolution was about people playing ... er VF4E. Surely the end sequence should have been some guy in a long black coat leaving the arcade and going to McDonalds.

[cka]

a shun won the vf4ft tournament, so shun di almost certainly won in the "plot" of vf4/vf5

I know this because I have the motherfucking tournament on a dvdr here

[Hayabusa]

Can you upload or capture anything from it? I'd have loved to see something like that.

I know the answer's 'no', but it's worth a try. Where'd you get it?

[manet]

It's not what cka was talking about, but here's some vid'shttp://www.vfr.gr.jp/movie/index.html


Kurobon Jewel (Lau) vs Taka Jacky (Jacky)
Y-F-W (Aoi) vs Taka Jacky (Jacky)
Y-F-W (Aoi) vs Nuki (Aoi)
Matsudairakiyoyasu (Lau) vs Nuki (Aoi)
Matsudairakiyoyasu (Lau) vs Fuudo (Lion)

19sai (Jacky) vs Tower Akira (Akira)
Mukky Akira (Akira) vs Tower Akira (Akira)
Mukky Akira (Akira) vs Mask do Hijitetsu (Jacky)
Mukky Akira (Akira) vs Mashin Lau (Lau)

Tokido (Lion) vs Koedo (Kage)
Tokido (Lion) vs Senningiri (Kage)
JOE (Jacky) vs Senningiri (Kage)
JOE (Jacky) vs Itabashi Zangief (Shun)


I'd love to see some Chibita vid's.



edit: oh hay (http://highervoltage.net/mb/showthread.php?p=533658#post533658)

[Hayabusa]

Neat, thanks for posting them. I think those are the first Final Tuned vids I've watched.

Tower Akira's supporters are rather annoying, I have to say. Cheering over a great combo or win is one thing, but everything?

[cka]

Can you upload or capture anything from it? I'd have loved to see something like that.

I know the answer's 'no', but it's worth a try. Where'd you get it?

I got a rip of the stream they did a while back (it was a webcast tourney), and I can't really post it cause it's an 800 someodd meg wmv

[GEL]

I'm afraid I've got some bad news boys...
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3463/virtuafighter52005091708092794.jpg
That's supposed to be Vanessa.


Yeah, somehow she became a scrawny white chick.


Now you see SEGA, every time I'm about to forgive you, you go ahead and pull something STUPID like this. Fuck it. You've pushed me too far now SEGA. You are now not only the worst videogame company ever, but you just forfeited Virtua Fighter's crown.

Fuck both graphics and gameplay. Fuck your depth and complexity and fuck logic. Most of all, fuck Virtua Fighter. No matter how much I liked VF:4 non-Evo, you have now just forfeited VF's place.

Until either this grevous error is fixed or Virtua Fighter gets proper custom characters so I can have a black blonde Japanese chick who either kickboxes or drunken boxes, I shall say "fuck logic" and consider Bloody Roar: Primal Fury the pinnacle of 3D fighters.


...because I like to pretend my opinion actually means something in an alternate dimension.

SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE SEGA? SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?! YOU LOSE!
I'm crying on the inside ;_;

[Grey]

You're letting a slight change in character design sway you're entire opinion on a game. You're going over board just a tad GEL.

[Gustov]

I mad.
You're doing it again, GEL.

[GEL]

You're letting a slight change in character design sway you're entire opinion on a game. You're going over board just a tad GEL.
Oh I admit I'm going overboard, but you have to understand that I'm not a VF kind of guy.

I liked VF1 because "It was VR!"
I didn't like VF2 because "It's not VR!" (yes, back then the lack of flat shading was a major turn-off to me)
I was indifferent to VF3

VF4 was the first one I really cared about due to all the fucking awesome extra features, and Vanessa. First Virtua Fighter character that I ever found even remotely interesting, add in her awesome 1P outfit and kickboxing (I have a kickboxing chick fetish I think) and I was fucking sold. It was also the first VF that wasn't a "button masher" in my book. Never cared much for the VF series before this and holding forward and mashing punch with Jacky did me just fine in the past 3 (or 5) games.

Then VF4: Evo fucks up everything that got me to like VF4 and improves everything else. Not just the fucking over of Vanessa (no 1P or kickboxing ;_;) but that damn memory card hiccup which completely ruined all those awesome special features, completely destroying the point of the game unless you're a VF fanatic. I wanted the advice, the stat tracking, the character customization...all of that was ruined. No one was gonna go back to VF4 due to the vast improvements in Evo and I refuse to play Evo due to the idiotic mistakes SEGA made. Still I had to admit it, grudgingly so, that it was a good game even if I didn't like it as much.

Let's just say VF5 is not starting out on the right foot by fucking up Vanessa again. It's like SEGA is actively trying to make me hate Virtua Fighter as no matter how much I want to get into this "ultra deep perfect end all be all fighting game" everyone raves about, it keeps pushing me away.

Well fine. I quit. Until SEGA finally buckles and does what they should have done earlier (add custom characters), I am saying "fuck it!" to Virtua Fighter. It finally pushed me away.

That said, I'm siding instead with the 3D fighter that I've had the most fun with due to excellent control, good character design, and lots of flashy effects: Bloody Roar Primal Fury. Sure it's broken and unbalanced, but so is every other 3D fighter anyways, so why not! It's not like I think that highly of 3D fighters anyways.


As a random side-note, VF: The Animation on Game Gear was surprisingly amusing. Totally dig the uber pixilated characters with smooth animation and lawlarious cutscenes.




Holy crap, did I just write an essay on why I can't get into Virtua Fighter? Crap. Please pretend that had some sort of academic value.

[TODE]

I shall say "fuck logic" and consider Bloody Roar: Primal Fury the pinnacle of 3D fighters.You got that right.

[Minx]

I liked VF1 because "It was VR!"
I didn't like VF2 because "It's not VR!" (yes, back then the lack of flat shading was a major turn-off to me)
I was indifferent to VF3

GEL is rubbish.

[Hayabusa]

His point on Vanessa is kinda solid though... as awesome as she still looks, it's not the same Vanessa I went annoyingly overboard for back when Evo came out. Her muscle is far less defined, and she's definitely not as black as before even factoring light interference into the equation.

Does Sega find strong, attractive black characters a turn off or something?

Of course, most of his arguments (bar the obvious one I agree with) about Evo are completely insane or ludicrously wrong.

Custom what in VF, exactly? Ryo and his scrolls are about as far as I'll allow that kind of talk to go, I'm afraid.

[Onimaru]

I think she looks better this way, mostly because her shirt is open and her hair doesn't look terrible anymore and well, ALL of the characters have moved away from the sort of action-figure-plastic (as opposed to the resin kit look of DOA) that VF4 had

[Internet]

God... ugh.

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

... at least Sega didn't mess with her appeareance a lot. She still looks like Vanessa.

There are other (more horrendous) cases *stares @ VF4 Akira's really fucked face*

[EvilNeil]

God... ugh.
If this were a street, I'd be walking far too fast, avoiding eye-contact and whistling very loudly.

Honestly, *only liking popular thing because of pointless thing* is almost as queer as *liking upopular thing because of unpopularity.*

[MuD]

Im with GEL on the whole "they fucked up her look" thing.

Especially if you consider how gruff her voice is... it definately doesnt match that chick. I mean, i could see her not being as muscular, but she has NO ABS. It's like she fell in a vat of muscle acid and it all got melted away.

Oh, and, didnt they get rid of Taka because of graphical issues? That the fat didnt look realistic? Do ya think they can fix it with today's technology?

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

I thought there was a lot of Taka hate, and that's why he didn't make it.

[EvilNeil]

but she has NO ABS.
Of course she does. What's that diagonal line of light/dark under her right breast if not the top of a vaguely circular patch of hard stomach muscle. Can't you see the line running down the middle of her waist?

They're just realistic, this time round, that's all.

Also she's in shadow and facing diagonally away from us, too.

[Hayabusa]

Her abs were special before. A defining feature of a great design.

She just doesn't look like she's as much of a powerhouse as she used to, which is a shame - but hey, one photo isn't enough to get a feel for what could be called her new look.

[Internet]

It's funny, I remember when Vanessa first appeared, and a great deal of the internet was fucking DISGUSTED by the fact that she was SO ripped. I loved her, because she was like everything Serena Williams *should* be. Apparently, this change in appearance is a result of an overwhelming consensus from several Japanese men and anime nerds who are repressed in nature and intimidated by the idea of a powerful woman.

Anyway, I'm just fucking disgusted at all of this retarded, BASELESS, shitting on, of VF4Evo, VF4, and VF5, due to their decision to alter a character appearance. It's fucking stupid. Out of all of VF's character designs *ever*, only their most recent have even breached the walls of decency. And not even all of them, they were STILL, only 3 out of 4 (The Monk, Goh, and Vanessa). This is nothing new. If anything, hew newfound genericness, only serves to further integrate her with the game's terrible cast.

We're used to this, is what I'm saying. There are no shockers here. That's not why VF is good anyway. There has hardly been an iota of fan-service for casual gamers in VF since day one, and they're not going to start now. Bouncy Dural was stupid, and Vanessa got her shit covered up.

Please stop whining over the superficial, and let's hope and pray that this game plays up to the standard set by its predecessors. Essays about how the very foundation of VF is in jeopardy because of some dumb chick looking dumber is gay.

All of this whining about how your virtual crush got transformed into something else just tells me that you need to get a real fucking girlfriend so that this kind of shit won't matter to you anymore. You have to admit, if ever there was a definition of being lower than dirt, it's allowing shit like this to be the highlight or lowlight of your day.

NOW BACK TO WAITING FOR NINJA GAIDEN BLACK AYANE SCENES MMMMMMMF

[Internet]

And before you even ask if I'd change my tune if they fucked up Chun Li, or Xiangfei, the answer is 'maybe.'

[Hayabusa]

But Vanessa's the most important one. I just can't agree that because the rest of the cast is generic and uninteresting that it's okay to screw over a totally excellent design in an attempt to make them all equally bland.

I'll never shit on VF. I love the series, and it's like some sort of digital brother to me. I can, however, be heartbroken because of strange design changes. It's not drastic enough to truly piss me off, but it's a shame that an honestly unique female design has to be changed to fit in with the everyday conception of what she 'should' be.

I'm more disappointed than annoyed, really.

Anyway, what's this 'real girlfriend' thing that you mentioned?

[Internet]

They're these new soda dispenser looking things that trade you complaints about your living habits in exchange for money.

But seriously, you're not the one who was making it out to be the end of the world, or like the end of VF. I'm not happy with Vanessa's design either, but after VF4 and Evo, I'm looking forward to a FABULOUS game and by no means does this have any impact on that hope.

[Hayabusa]

I absolutely agree with everything you just said. You person of impeccable taste, you.

> NOW BACK TO WAITING FOR NINJA GAIDEN BLACK AYANE SCENES MMMMMMMF

That's out like... today, isn't it? :D~~~

I don't think that the phrase 'Hammer time' has ever been more appropriate. And some of the stuff I've heard about Black...

[cka]

I didn't like VF2

hey guess what you just lost

I thought there was a lot of Taka hate, and that's why he didn't make it.

actually, with all the characters and updated graphics and shit they couldn't run taka's frame/polys properly so they had to axe him

back on topic:

what I'd like to see in VF5:


DOWNLOADABLE UPGRADED REVISIONS PLS. There's no real excuse to print a Ver. A disc and have Ver. B never come out except as an arcade board. The updates can't be THAT big, and since both X360 and PS3 roll with hard drives there's no real reason WHY SEGA can't have this ability in their games.
An online Kumite/Quest/etc. mode in conjunction with the offline mode. Yeah I know, VF won't work the greatest online and it'll probably turn into a d+P fest, but it's probably the only fighting game I'm interested in playing online since there's no competition for hundreds of kilometers. That, and it's the only fighting game I still play with seriousness.
More customization options for characters. I don't really care about more places to put shit (head/torso/legs/arms I'm fine with), but more items would be great. Something I'd like to have available in vf5 console that wasn't available in vf4e is the ability to use the VF1 model in Quest. Also, more collectable stuff like the emblems.


I'll jot down more as I think of them

[MuD]

what I'd like to see in VF5:


DOWNLOADABLE UPGRADED REVISIONS PLS. There's no real excuse to print a Ver. A disc and have Ver. B never come out except as an arcade board. The updates can't be THAT big, and since both X360 and PS3 roll with hard drives there's no real reason WHY SEGA can't have this ability in their games.
An online Kumite/Quest/etc. mode in conjunction with the offline mode. Yeah I know, VF won't work the greatest online and it'll probably turn into a d+P fest, but it's probably the only fighting game I'm interested in playing online since there's no competition for hundreds of kilometers. That, and it's the only fighting game I still play with seriousness.
More customization options for characters. I don't really care about more places to put shit (head/torso/legs/arms I'm fine with), but more items would be great. Something I'd like to have available in vf5 console that wasn't available in vf4e is the ability to use the VF1 model in Quest. Also, more collectable stuff like the emblems.


I'll jot down more as I think of them

I agree with what youve said. I want online because i really can only think of one person ive played in VF (since vf3, so i really doubt they'd get a new vf machine anyways), and ive NEVER beaten him. I'd at least like to lose to someone new.

PS - nice av. Reminds me of my brother's bobble head parkinsons idea. I was particularly proud of the boobble hands Muhammad Ali idea.

[GEL]

Honestly, *only liking popular thing because of pointless thing* is almost as queer as *liking upopular thing because of unpopularity.*
Okay okay, there's clearly some misunderstanding about my opinion there so allow me to clarify.

I had like a fucking 3000 word post written up here but I think I can summarize this shit in a short list:

1)Yes I was overreacting.

2)The thing on why I liked VF1 and not VF2 was from back when those games came out! I was in, what, 6th grade back then? VF1 was cool because it was V.R. while VF2 was just another 3D fighter to me. Surely you've thought some equally ridiculous things in your youth. Basically think of it like my version of "Zelda? More like CELDA! LOL!".

3)I've never had fun with Virtua Fighter because of the lack of good characters. I have to have a character I like to be able to stand playing it for as long as I need to in order to learn it and supposedly have fun with it.

4)I was not shitting on VF4:Evo beyond the fact that the "One Memory Card" thing was a MAJOR screw up. Tell me what the point of prize matches are when only one player can use the prize, for example. This may not have mattered to Hardcore VF Fans, but it doesn't change the fact that it completely fucked up all the nifty console exclusive features that would have brought the game more fans.


Lastly: The "Virtua Fighter is no longer the greatest 3D fighter ever made" thing is an "In My Personal Opinion" deal. Sure it may be deep and amazing, but I fail to find the game fun.

What does this have to do with SEGA changing Vanessa's design? Nothing really. I'm just pissed that they're fucking up Vanessa again! It finally got me to say "You know what? Fuck it. I'm tired of defending Virtua Fighter. I'm lying to myself when I insist that the game is deep and amazing when you get into it because I can't get into the damn thing. Wake me when we have custom characters, I might care then."

That's it. Make sense now? Sorry for any misunderstanding. Still pissed/annoyed at SEGA.
Custom what in VF, exactly? Ryo and his scrolls are about as far as I'll allow that kind of talk to go, I'm afraid.
Nonononono! Not custom movelists! That would be broken as shit! I'm just saying characters.

Basically you design the character with really fancy character making tool (with limitations on height to prevent everyone from making uber cheap midgets) and then pick a fighting style. Pick Jacky's style and BAM! Your character plays like Jacky.

Then as you beat people you earn money based on your performance and you use that to buy new clothes for your character.

Maybe throw in some crazy gimmicks like if you do well enough on a machine, your character gets saved to it along with an A.I. based on how you played and that character then becomes a computer opponent. Do really good and they appear in the intro movie. I'd be really fucking awesome.

Personally I feel Virtua Fighter is the perfect game for this. The characters are so bland and generic that it wouldn't really matter if they were replaced with customs. It would make the game infinitely cooler.

Shit! Even just Beach Spikers level customization would be good enough for me!
We're used to this, is what I'm saying. There are no shockers here. That's not why VF is good anyway. There has hardly been an iota of fan-service for casual gamers in VF since day one, and they're not going to start now.
It's not about fanservice, it's about I CAN SEE VANESSA'S DAMN RIB CAGE!
All of this whining about how your virtual crush got transformed into something else just tells me that you need to get a real fucking girlfriend so that this kind of shit won't matter to you anymore. You have to admit, if ever there was a definition of being lower than dirt, it's allowing shit like this to be the highlight or lowlight of your day.
Fucking understatement. Thought we already went through my problems with women: Took me fucking 6 years to tell the girl I loved that I loved her and then she said "sorry I don't go out with freinds".

I'm a hopeless romantic. I don't just hit on everything with breasts. Believe me I want a fucking girlfreind but it's not easy. No more of this bullshit though, this isn't GEL's Emo Emo Livejournal Time, dammit.


Terribly sorry for the long post. Just wanted to clear shit up. Yes I was being overreactionary and faggy back there. Really it can all be summed up in one short sentance though:

No matter how good Virtua Fighter's gameplay is, I just can't have fun with the damn thing. The end.

You understand now? No hard feelings I hope. VF just ain't my thing and I'm not gonna make another comment like the previous post in this thread. It was gay and retarded and was written in a blind rage, thus the wording makes things sound stupider than I meant them to. I'm just not a Virtua Fighter guy.

[Internet]

I feel bad as fuck for LOLing right now :( :) :(

Jesus fuck how did we go on a tangent from VF5 to fucking Hamlet's livejournal?

[Kaz]

Well, at least I could actually read it.

[GEL]

I feel bad as fuck for LOLing right now :( :) :(
XD Oh don't be! As long as we got this all sorted out it's cool. I mean, I fucking admit I'm pathetic and that my views on Virtua Fighter are HORRIBLY skewed.

It's cool though. VF just ain't my cup of tea and I wish it was is all. One day maybe a change will come along to VF's superficial elements that cause me to finally play and love it. Until then I'll be over here playing this horribly broken button masher with lots of sparklies and sexy women, K? ^_^
Jesus fuck how did we go on a tangent from VF5 to fucking Hamlet's livejournal?
Easy: You played the "Get a real girlfreind" card...IN ATTACK MODE NO LESS!

I think it's actually on the Official Internet List Of Really Dumb Things To Say In An Argument. Believe me: Everyone who needs a girlfreind is trying, and usually failing.

...but by "Hamlet" you DO mean the Shakespear play and not a specific person right? That may be a strange question but I have my reasons >_<

[Hayabusa]

He's talking about the mild cigar.

[Nezumiiro]

I thought he was jabbering about some small village somewhere.

[MuD]

Of course she does. What's that diagonal line of light/dark under her right breast if not the top of a vaguely circular patch of hard stomach muscle. Can't you see the line running down the middle of her waist?

They're just realistic, this time round, that's all.

Also she's in shadow and facing diagonally away from us, too.

I dont know... i just keep getting the idea that they dont have a fucking clue what they want her to be. She was some concept character that they're gonna keep modifying and such.

I mean, you cant decide on her look? AND her fighting style? In a fighting game? That's just bad planning. I think from here on out, just to keep it consistent, she should NEVER look the same. And one of stances should be removed for another.

And a far as someone saying that they're getting away from the plastic look of 4, musculature wasnt the problem, it was skin texture. No one was that oily, outside of Mr Olympia contests. I mean, T5 pulled off horribly muscular without looking like He-Man figures, cuz the characters didnt look like someone sprayed them with full body Soul Glow.

[TODE]

I had like a fucking 3000 word post written up here but I think I can summarize this shit in a short listCHOKE ON YOUR LIES

[Jigsaw]

I mean, you cant decide on her look? AND her fighting style? In a fighting game? That's just bad planning. I think from here on out, just to keep it consistent, she should NEVER look the same. And one of stances should be removed for another.

lol mortal kombat

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

actually, with all the characters and updated graphics and shit they couldn't run taka's frame/polys properly so they had to axe him

Oh, so that was it.

... anyway, I don't think a lot of people miss him.

[Internet]

Easy: You played the "Get a real girlfreind" card...IN ATTACK MODE NO LESS!

I think it's actually on the Official Internet List Of Really Dumb Things To Say In An Argument. Believe me: Everyone who needs a girlfreind is trying, and usually failing.

MMMMMMMMnah, if you are crying over a videogame girl, you REALLY DO need to get a girlfriend, and a life, and go throw a football, nerd. Nothing stupid about that argument. It's completely true and rational. Just because it touches nerves of about 75% of the internet doesn't mean it isn't true or that it's stupid. The only reason that they say that is because it's almost unspoken, it's so true.

Look at TODE. He got a girlfriend, and now not only do you never see him talking or caring about butterfaced Jap idols, but he also got pre-approved at Geico.

[Onimaru]

MMMMMMMMnah, if you are crying over a videogame girl, you REALLY DO need to get a girlfriend, and a life, and go throw a football, nerd. Nothing stupid about that argument. It's completely true and rational. Just because it touches nerves of about 75% of the internet doesn't mean it isn't true or that it's stupid. The only reason that they say that is because it's almost unspoken, it's so true.

Getting a girlfriend doesn't necessarily fix anything, though. I mean, especially the kind of girl who'd go out with Gel. Might even make things worse (in a different way)

[Internet]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9712/20/ramsey/jon.benet.ramsey.jpg

I never thought of it that way :|

[Mr. Pointy]

GEL, one word - rohypnol.

[Nezumiiro]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9712/20/ramsey/jon.benet.ramsey.jpg

OH NOES, SOUND THE ALARM! DYLE WENT "THERE"!!

[EvilNeil]

Don't worry GEL, we know much better and are way cooler than those guys. :D

[Blaze]

Someone else pointed this out to me, and it's true. VF5's graphics are pretty damn creepy. They're not bad or anything - in fact, it's the opposite. The textures and lighting are so good, that the slightly freakish proportions (http://sega.jp/arcade/lindbergh/title_vf5.html) stand out, really awkwardly.

[Caj]

slightly freakish proportions (http://sega.jp/arcade/lindbergh/title_vf5.html) stand out, really awkwardly.

To me the VF series has been like that since VF3 when the characters started to get even more detailed.(even though 3 was its lowest point ;/)

[Ultimate Jesus]

It's been ages since I played a Virtua Fighter game(last one I played for more than 5 minutes was two).
Does Jacky still declare himself "faster than lightning" at the end of fights, and does Jeffry still say, "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!"?

By the way, how is Kage's name pronounced? At first I thought it'd be "Cage", but now I'm not so sure.

[Esco]

By the way, how is Kage's name pronounced? At first I thought it'd be "Cage", but now I'm not so sure.
KAH-gay

[Ultimate Jesus]

Thought so.
Danke.

[WW3]

The Vanessa Issue Is Now The Biggest Thing On The Internet, Dwarfing Advent Fucking Children And Even Tiffany's Comeback (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=26901599&Mytoken=656A7771-DBB8-4CFB-B534EABFE2CBE8371188189640).

And Clearly, I Don't Give A Fuck If It Makes Me "Lower Than Dirt" LOL!

[TODE]

KAH-gayOr KAH-geh if you want to be anal about it.

[Redux]

High-res screenshots & trailer of Virtua Fighter 5!:
Visit this page:
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200509/111.asp

Looks fucking sweet! :spooge:

[freshie]

link doesn`t work.

EDIT: it is now.

[cka]

it's kikozo for christ sake, hit f5 for a half hour and it'll eventually work

I must have lucked out and got in on the first shot

edit: I've got a sinking feeling that this "high res" video is just the same 1:05 clip thats been floating around for who knows how the fuck long

[Izanami]

Probably.

I am in need of a proper direct feed trailer...

[Jigsaw]

It is the same, and the quality still isn't great, but it's a fuckload better than any previous efforts. This time you actually tell that it looks good (although not exactly how good).

[Monkey_Madness]

Nonononono! Not custom movelists! That would be broken as shit! I'm just saying characters.

Basically you design the character with really fancy character making tool (with limitations on height to prevent everyone from making uber cheap midgets) and then pick a fighting style. Pick Jacky's style and BAM! Your character plays like Jacky.

Then as you beat people you earn money based on your performance and you use that to buy new clothes for your character.

Maybe throw in some crazy gimmicks like if you do well enough on a machine, your character gets saved to it along with an A.I. based on how you played and that character then becomes a computer opponent. Do really good and they appear in the intro movie. I'd be really fucking awesome.

Personally I feel Virtua Fighter is the perfect game for this. The characters are so bland and generic that it wouldn't really matter if they were replaced with customs. It would make the game infinitely cooler.

Shit! Even just Beach Spikers level customization would be good enough for me!



thats not something of virtua fighter... you're eyeing the wrong game... SC3 is right around the corner...

[WW3]

Believe me, you can't tell these people.

[cka]

October 26, 2005 - Following its unveiling at the August Amusement Machine Show, Sega went quiet on Virtua Fighter 5, putting games like House of the Dead 4 and Psy-Phi on test while leaving the Lindbergh arcade board's killer app locked away in its corporate offices. The details are slowly starting to come out, though, with this week's Famitsu shedding new light on the game's characters and gameplay.

The magazine shares first details on one of the two new characters to be featured in VF5. The masked wrestler character from the Amusement Machine Show trailer is called El Blaze and he uses the Lucha Libre fighting style (also performed in Dead or Alive 4... by a similarly masked character). El Blaze uses acrobatic movements and throws to fight his opponents. Story-wise, there appears to be a connection between El Blaze and Wolf.

Gameplay details are still being kept under wraps, but the Famitsu story does reveal that we can expect a few new gameplay systems. One new system is hinted at by some of El Blaze's moves, which allow the wrestler to leap over and beyond downed opponents.

Don't worry about your favorite fighting game being tinkered with by inexperienced designers -- VF5 is being developed by veteran AM2 staffers. Serving as "game director" is Daichi Katagiri, who's been with the series since the start. The title's "overall director" is Makoto Osaki, who's worked on the development of Daytona USA and various other racing titles out of Sega.

The creators reveal that Virtua Fighter 5 will not feature Online fights. While it's technically possible, they feel that doing so would create something other than Virtua Fighter. Instead of allowing for direct fights, they hope to build upon the network functionality featured in VF4, allowing for greater player communication and building up a strong community.

Specifics on a few of VF5's new gameplay systems will be revealed soon, so VF fans, stay tuned to IGN.


sucks about online but what can you do

[Izanami]

No it doesn't. I wouldn't be looking to dead players online, I'll be looking to dead them in their houses. Or the Arcade. Wherever VF is.

[Hayabusa]

Yes it does. It's great for anyone who lives in a densely populated land where everyone plays the hell out of VF in the arcades all the time, but not so great for... well, me.

Give the bastard a chance to see how it performs. If it doesn't work well, it doesn't really matter since you can simply avoid that option. If it does... well, you'd have cunts complaining about lag anyway.

[Izanami]

I don't think VF is a type of game to be played online. There are a lot of little things that jusy wouldn't work online, unless there was no-lag. It wouldn't be how Sega wanted it to play...I mean, VF is one of, if not THE most played fighting games in Japan. They have players everywhere and tournaments perhaps every day. The matches against people in the arcade cannot be topped. If Sega ran online games ith VF they'd be very sloppy and maybe ruin the experience.

[Hayabusa]

All true. I'm talking about a home conversion, mind - I'll never even see a VF5 machine. Even if it doesn't work, I'd like to see them try at least.

[carbonater]

I ready to see that luchador(sp?) in action.

[Jigsaw]

I could definitely see why they wouldn't bother with online VS - it would seem pretty pointless to waste time and money working on something that a large part of the target demographic - hardcore VF fans - would likely either completely ignore, or simply dislike, when it could be better spent on more important things. And again, VF has seemingly never really been meant for anyone outside arcades in Asia, and both VF5 cabs and competition will be plentiful there, anyway. It would be great if a future console port had online support though, for up/downloading of stuff like patches, ghost data, replays, custom items, etc, etc...

[Hayabusa]

I'm maybe talking out of ignorance here, but I doubt 3S would have had millions lavished upon the online mode, and it works fine as it's offered. Just something like that would do me nicely - I'm not expecting Doa 4 levels of online madness.

when it could be better spent on more important things. (Mutters something spiteful about removing Vanessa's costumes)

[Internet]

I don't think VF is a type of game to be played online.
It's not a fighting game? Nor a multi-player game?

I agree that lag would play into making it difficult to do though. But I would still rather see companies making an effort.

My problem is this, if you have the option there, those such as yourself can choose to forego it. If it's not there, those who do desire to play that way can't. It's better to open up the fanbase than exclusify it, that's what I'm saying. Thinking that online is not necessary simply because you don't prefer it is the same as saying that nobody should be allowed to wear corduroy simply because it's jeans are superior.

[Izanami]

It's up to the developer to decide what is best for the game. VF will still be a popular series, even if it doesn't get much play outside of Japan. Maybe they are thinking of their Japanese market only, and seen as it's players frequent arcades often, from kids to businessmen, they don't feel the need to work on an online mode considering that they earn tons of money and respect for what they are doing now. If that's what they mean when they say that online would create something other than VF, then I'd have to agree with them. They aren't obliged to create an online option if they feel that it will deride from their original intentions.

[Caj]

It would definately be nice to play VF5 online period.Since there is 0 competetion for anything Virtua Fighter in most of the U.S.Now the only competetion I ever had for VF4:Evo was with friends who are casual players or only knew very few of the basics.Here in the midwest theres not many VF4:Evo or Final Tune cabinets or players at all and when an arcade does have it all it does it gathers dust and eventually gets replaced by. . .

A.Another fighting game people actually play,
B.Another DDR game,or
C.Just an empty gap to walk through.

Also when it comes to arcade games in Japan its never a sad day to hear that there isnt going to be a port for a popular arcade game or theres no online support for <insert title>.Mainly because the arcade business is still alive and kicking while the U.S is already passing out invitations for its funeral as more and more people are starting to think "No online play for a fighting game = waste of time"

[Jigsaw]

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=jks183&b=1&f=o1130465516&p=1
http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=jks183&b=1&f=o1130465517&p=2

[Hama]

Japan really loves rey mysterio dont they.

[Hayabusa]

Sure do.

Does this mean some gameplay trailer footage may be coming out soon?

[Esco]

Does Wolf have a Koppou kick (http://highervoltage.net/mb/showpost.php?p=555085&postcount=1551) ? I don't remember him having one in VF4:E.

All wrestler characters need to come with at least two taunts, one that does the hand to the ear and out of nowhere you hear "YEEEAAAAAAHHHHH"

[cka]

FOUR costume varieties to choose from! it's unadulterated MADNESS!!!
edit: videos up at vfdc

[Kaz]

Wow, what's next? Jeffry will prove he has intelligence?

The VF characters become... characters?

I think I'll go look for any other signs of the Apocalypse.

[ninjuichi]

I like Sarah's black costume. And VF.com is getting hammered all day so if someone could rehost pics/vids elsewhere it'd be appreciated.

[Redux]

Have these been posted yet?
http://www.gamer.nl/images/content/Erwie/200511/1131014710_0.jpg
http://www.gamer.nl/images/content/Erwie/200511/1131014710_1.jpg
http://www.gamer.nl/images/content/Erwie/200511/1131014710_2.jpg
http://www.gamer.nl/images/content/Erwie/200511/1131014710_3.jpg


and a new(?) video: http://open.tekken.net/vf5_amshow.avi (around 11.1 mb) It's not showing much, but it's something.

[Blaze]

I love Rey Mysterio :D

[Minx]

Hey that looks great.

[carbonater]

Those are arguably the best realtime(?) fighting game character models I've ever seen.

[Hayabusa]

Yep, realtime. Check www.virtuafighter.com for a quick couple of clips of the game in action.

Looks great, though Rey's flying cross chop has odd collision mechanics at present. It'll be fixed though, no doubt about that.

[cka]

fun fact: it was actually a friend of mine that made that new video while at some private event ;o

[Izanami]

I don't really like the character models that much now (lacking texture...seem a bit bland still, but that's typical VF) but the backgrounds are excellent.

[Hama]

They dont give a fuck about looking kawaii man, they just wanna fight!

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

When did Pai get big b00bs? :spooge:

And the rey mysterio clone looks good, but I HATE his name (El Blazing :| ). It sounds as funny as "El Stingray" or "T.Hawk".

[Hama]

You have issues with names man.

[El Fuerte's #1 Fan]

I know :(

[Redux]

Even hamsters like Virtua Fighters: :o
http://xo.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hamstergame.jpg

[Jigsaw]

http://www.virtuafighter.jp/image/sub_sarah_p01.jpg
http://www.virtuafighter.jp/image/sub_vane_p01.jpg

:D!

Location test this weekend. (http://www.virtuafighter.jp/)

[Caj]

http://www.virtuafighter.jp/image/sub_vane_p01.jpg

What happened to Vanessa?The developers thought she looked "too black" and bleached her skin? ;/

[Izanami]

These images look like Namco's images for Tekken4.

Sarah doesn't look so hot in her pic - neither does Vanessa. And yes...why is she not so black? :(

[Izanami]

lol @ Jeff's black hole for a mouth - and the fact that he looks like a hairier Craig Marduk.

[Caj]

I see what you mean with the "Tekkenish" CGs.But their definately miles better then VF4s where a lot of the characters look like they were dipped into baby oil along with overdoing some textures.

[Hayabusa]

I'm not sure about Vanessa. If she wasn't still so fucking awesome, I'd probably be a bit more pissed at her overhaul. I love them both.

[cka]

lau ran out of just for men

[EvilNeil]

Sarah looks like her own regulation spunky cute younger sister who saves the day, despite being told to stay in the car.

[Onimaru]

OH MY GOD VIRTUA FIGHTER CHARACTERS AREN'T VISUALLY REVOLTING ANYMORE WHAT'S GOING ON!?

[EvilNeil]

Oh, sarcasm eh?

Personally I don't think the VF characters have been 'visually revolting' since they moved over to the MODEL2 hardware more than a decade ago.

What's causing a stir is more the fact the character renders seem to suggest they're moving away from the designs we've come to love over the years, for no real discernable reason.

So now you've got borderline loli Sarah - who has always previously been a sex goddess/ice queen, hard-faced bitch (except for Yahoo, obviously) and Vanessa, who was previously er black. And again, tough as nails.

[Onimaru]

It all strikes me as a bunch of "omg change!" madness if you ask me. I imagine the same thing will happen if the DOA games ever decide to shift gears and go for something a little more defined and less plastic-y.

To me, VF hasn't really ever looked particularly good with the exception of VF2 (and that was more about the environments really). What's bothered me has probably mostly been the overall art style from game to game more than the character designs themselves (because the character designs are more or less the same here, but now I think everything looks grrrrreat). So I, for one, reeeeally like this "Tekken-esque" makeover.

I can kind understand the complaints in Vanessa's case--since it's a bit more of a fundamental change, something akin to if they made Akira into a prettyboy--but only in theory, because I thought she was a little too burley in VF4 (which was again, do the game's art style more than anything innate in her character design). This version of her could stand to be a more ripped if that one early video was any indicator (but hopefully not quite gross bodybuilder woman style)

But all in all I think VF5 looks a lot better than VF ever has...and possibly better than ANY fighter ever has (if the actually game looks like this media we been seeing). Now if they can just fix the voice acting, I finally won't be able to use "personality" as an excuse for not playing this game as much as Tekken or the Soul series

[EvilNeil]

I imagine the same thing will happen if the DOA games ever decide to shift gears and go for something a little more defined and less plastic-y.
You won't hear any of it from me. The fact that the technology used to create the pictures is different and more advanced isn't the problem. It's the fact that the concept of the characters, the basic tenets they've been based on since they first appeared seems to be changing. For the worse, for the more generic and obvious and uninteresting.

That's what it's about. Not different, wrong.

Admittedly they're only pictures, and there's a lot more to a character than their select screen CG portrait ... but that's never stopped us in the past.

Tina with wrinkles and pores = yes.
Tina the shy reserved underaged cutesy = fuck you.

[Hayabusa]

Tina with wrinkles and pores = yes.
I'm not sure where you're going with this. If you're saying she should age by even a single day, I'm not sure what my response would be.

(Goes to read up on some Hatahata Tina)

Even so, I can see what you mean. I looked at Sarah and went 'meh', though Vanessa... well, she may not be Vanessa, but she's still highly appealing to the point where I don't really feel a pressing need to peel the face off her redesigner. I want them both - maybe this is simply SoA's American Vanessa used for her 2P costume.

Something's drastically wrong with Sarah, though. She looks like an elf, no longer hot and to top it off she seems strangely disproportioned.

Location test in effect now, grimy 'hidden in bag' cam feeds may soon be available.

[EvilNeil]

I'm not sure where you're going with this. If you're saying she should age by even a single day, I'm not sure what my response would be.
I don't mean she should age, just that she could be that insanely detailed, modelled on a system powered by the new Erection Engine and coupled with a spectacular Itagaki design volte face - but as long as she still looked and sounded like the Tina we all know and love, then there wouldn't be rioting in the streets.

From me, anyway.

[Izanami]

You know - I was wondering why Jig avoided posting the Aoi pic! But then I looked over to the site and saw how fucked it looked (lol).

Oh well. Any information about the beta test around yet? Now that the UK may finally be getting up to date with VF (VF4:Evo Ver. A lol), looks like I might have to get back into the game (side by side with GGXX/).

[ninjuichi]

Aoi looks exactly the same just a bit more detailed as with all the other characters. I could understand the sentiments in regards to Vanessa, though I personally think it's fine. But for Sarah and Aoi... they're the same designs. Just detailed I guess (I'm not an Art Major, so forgive my ignorance in this situation.)

[EvilNeil]

http://www.virtuafighter.jp/image/sub_sarah_p01.jpg
http://www.virtuafighter.jp/vf4ps2/world/img/sarah/img_sarah_main.jpg

I still think she looks considerably younger in the top picture, but yeah, I'm bored talking about it now. :)

[Jigsaw]

Aoi looks as great as everyone else. I just didn't post her pic cause I don't care about her, that's all.

[cka]

PLAY TEST REPORT

Buddy of mine in Japan who went to the play test this weekend says:

It's like VF3 and VF4 put together, it's slower than VF4 and the whole basic foundation system is changed (but combos and shit from VF4 do work). But he likes it.

[Hayabusa]

Hrm. VF4 had a brilliant feel to it as it was, though change is always welcome when it heads in the correct direction.

VF3 is not what I'd call the correct direction, but I have full faith that the developers already know this. Not that I hated 3 or anything, mind, just that I prefer 4 by a sizable margin.

Also, www.virtuafighter.com has some test reports by an overzealous VF fan. Still,there's information to be found.

[Jigsaw]

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200511/127_p1.asp

[Hayabusa]

You win the world.

Edit: Man, those videos weren't the best quality I've seen...

[Esco]

Jeffry looks like Marduk with different hair.

That gameplay movie was odd- on a few instances, particularly near the end, Shun manages to hit Akira despite his limb being about a foot away. Hope somebody fixes that shit.

[cka]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1348/cimg00256ao.jpg

The units themselves cost $10k a PIECE too (keep in mind this is for the cabinet and the board, since it's 16:9 and in hdtv now it kind of explains the price) so don't get your hopes up of ever seeing one in person.

[Hayabusa]

I'll see one next year.

I'm also assuming that this is going to be PS3 only for whatever reason.

And hey! That annoying information crap at the left and bottom were actually in the machine's display monitor? I assumed Kikizo had been taping it off a projection screen with all that written up beside the 'real' screen. I know it won't stay there, but playing it like that must have annoyed at least one or two people.

[Jigsaw]

That's not the game screen, that's VF.TV. The info on the left is the scheduled upcoming programming, at the bottom is information about the current match's players.

[cka]

and vf.tv is essentially ESPN for whatever vf cabinets the monitor is hooked up to -- it's designed so that people aren't leering over the players shoulders watching a match

[Izanami]

That looks pretty nice...gonna watch the video(s?) now.

[Izanami]

Hmm, the game does look a tad slower...and as for the hit confirmation, it's only the beta version - I'm sure that'll get fixed when the game makes it's proper debut.

And, in another reference to Tekken, it looks as though moves are harder to hit too, because either the hitback has increased or hitboxes for some moves have changed so you just have to be close to the opponent to form an offense...that's how I saw that vid anyway.

[Jigsaw]

vf.jp updated with a bunch of (mostly old, although HQ) screenshots.

[Hayabusa]

New screens over at 1up.com.

http://1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3146445&did=1 to be precise. They're kinda small, though, and not great quality.

Edit: Most or all are trailer shots.

[INTERNET TOUGHGUY]

Please tell me this game is coming out for xbox? I wanted VF 4 to come out on gamecube or xbox, but it didnt and that wasnt cool.

I also think VF needs to add a story mode and super combo's or super moves.

[Shadow_Devil]

I also think VF needs to add a story mode and super combo's or super moves.

I find this offensive for some reason.

[Dr. Explosion]

I also think VF needs to add a story mode and super combo's or super moves.

Can anyone get me the phone number for the mafia? :/

[Izanami]

I don't, but we can always show him Hyper Action Battle mode.

[INTERNET TOUGHGUY]

Ok,but a story mode wouldnt hurt. I also wish sega would make a VF rpg, but sega hasnt done anything good since spikeout, but thats another thread for another day. Sega is my favorite company, but alot of sega fans wanna see some games like gunblade and VF kids II, fighters mega mix, and VF on xbox with a damn story mode, thats not asking for too much.

Peace.

[Mr. Pointy]

Sega did make a VF RPG. It was shit.

[cka]

Ok,but a story mode wouldnt hurt. I also wish sega would make a VF rpg, but sega hasnt done anything good since spikeout, but thats another thread for another day. Sega is my favorite company, but alot of sega fans wanna see some games like gunblade and VF kids II, fighters mega mix, and VF on xbox with a damn story mode, thats not asking for too much.

Peace.

hate to break the news to you like cnn, BUT THERE IS NO FUCKING SHITTY CONVOLUTED STORY IN VIRTUA FIGHTER

deal with it

[EvilNeil]

*falling giant cog narrowly misses Shun Di*

[Banned VX]

What about the first Dural being Kage's mother (with Kage rescuing her after #2)? Or Akira losing all the tournies except #2? Or Lau thinking Pai isn't worthy as a successor and seeking one? Or Lau getting incurable disease? Or Pai entering the touries to defeat Lau/show him she's worthy as a successor? Or Sarah's and Jacky's past rivalry? Or Sarah being trouble and Vanessa entering tournie #4 to protect her? Or Goh being an assassin (special, raised from birth to be an assassin assassin!) for the same company that created Dural? Or there being a second Dural? Or Aoi wanting her back blown out by Akira? Or Jacky being a race car driver? Or Lion "Whatta knucklehead!" Rafale disking his pops? Or Jeffery wanting to win the tournies to build a new boat? Or Sarah being under control of the same people that turned Kage's mother into Dural. Or those people being named "The Syndicate" or Judgement 6 or J6?

hay (http://www.360d.com/vf2/storyline.html)

There's VF4 storylines around, but I've only seen Jeffery's.

[Banned VX]

PS: Vanessa Lewis is hot.

[EvilNeil]

I agree.

VF really, really hides its story, more than any other series. And part of me would like to see it fleshed out a bit - to T5 story mode levels if nothing else. But then I feel guilty for saying this, for even thinking it too loudly, and it's probably not going to happen anyway.

Still, the thought of seeing Jeffrey vs SATAN SHARK in a glorious 10-minute FMV sequence makes my head spin.
Or Sarah being trouble and Vanessa entering tournie #4 to protect her?
Unhngh.

[Hayabusa]

I know, Neil. All those fucking doujin artists failed to pick up on that as well. :|

I dunno. VF's one of the games I can sit back and scoff at the very prospect of a story mode while still idly wondering how one would turn out. I think some sort of compromise could be made in unlocking excellent CG renders of storyline events or something by winning tournaments.

Like Sarah and Vanessa lounging around aimlessly at poolside.

[INTERNET TOUGHGUY]

Sega did make a VF RPG. It was shit.

Um link please.

[NeoChaosX]

It was called Shenmue.

[EvilNeil]

How dare you.

It's actually called 'Virtua Fighter Cyber Generation: Judgment Six No Yabou.' I'll let you look it up.

[INTERNET TOUGHGUY]

It was called Shenmue.

Thats not a vf rpg, i own Shenmue 1( 4 Disc set dc ) and Shenmue II Import Version ( 4 disc set ) . Both games was 7.99 at my local import shop.

I was talking about a full blown VF RPG, kinda like this other game that i own for neo geo samurai showdown RPG.

[NeoChaosX]

It's actually called 'Virtua Fighter Cyber Generation: Judgment Six No Yabou.'

Gah, I completely forgot about that game. When I saw "VF" and "RPG", my mind for some reason recalled the previews of Shenmue from 5-6 years ago that were at the time being called a VF RPG.

[INTERNET TOUGHGUY]

I just read a full review on VFCG, is it out yet or what?

They was talking about importing the game over here, but where is it? :(

Plus i just bought a gamecube the other night, so this game could come in handy.

[Mr. Pointy]

It's been out for a while in the US as Virtua Quest I believe. Shenmue makes a better VF RPG than VFCG - trust me.

[Hayabusa]

This comes out in March, right? The lack of info is annoying.

[Jigsaw]

Presumably "spring 2006" but I'm pretty sure there is no official date.

[cka]

it comes out when its done, expect a late spring/early summer release for the arcade and a home console version about a year later

[Hayabusa]

It comes out when it's done? Sensational!

Anyway, the post was more a cunningly disguised plea for anything new that might have been found than a real expectation to see it in arcades come March. If I ever do see it in an arcade at all, of course. Chances are I'll have to wait until the PS3 rolls round and grab as many match vids off the net as I can find.

Ugh.

I am curious to see how this new sidestepping and attacking from all angles thing will work though. I've got absolute faith in the developers, so I'm sure that choosing the wrong angles to attack from won't cause the fighters to just look stupid and uncoordinated.

[cka]

shun had something like an any-direction sidestep in vf4e and it was pretty useless

but I guess if they're redoing the attacks so it's not so 2.5 dimensional an any-direction sidestep would be useful

[Corven]

Official Playstation 2 Mag just ran a small article about VF5. They skipped alot of the tech stuff (apparently they didn't want to "bore" readers, the bastards), but it's still and interesting read. Should I post the article?

[EvilNeil]

Please do.

[Hayabusa]

'We don't want to bore you by giving you some useful information, and we didn't really understand any of it anyway. So hey - we hear that Akira's coming back!'

[Corven]

Here we are then...

"Developer AM2 recently conducted testing sessions of the arcade version in Tokyo's Club Sega, giving hardcore fans their first chance to try the tweaked control system and new effects. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive, mingling glowing reports that it 'looks as good as PS3 Killzone' with analysis of the returning tech-roll system and the slower low jabs that we're not going to bore you with here.

Also on offer was one of the game's two new characters. El Blaze is a Lucha Libre-style wrestler - a bit like the WWE's Rey Mysterio - who uses acrobatic moves and throws to take down opponents. He's also got a 'Lucha' mode - activated by holding down all the buttons - where he sprints around the screen like a madman, enabling him to perform dropkicks or clotheslines. The other character - seen in early trailers but not yet named by Sega - is a young girl looking a little bit likeTekken's Ling Xiaoyu, who busts out a breakdancing-style backspin-freeze combination. Though it's currently running on Sega's new Lindbergh arcade machine, the developers are confident that it'll look the same on next-generation consoles. Come on Tekken - we like the sweat dynamics, but you're going to have to raise your game"

Reading it over, it's nothing new. But fuck it, it's something right?

[Esco]

who busts out a breakdancing-style backspin-freeze combination.
It's MONKEY! MONKEY!! ARGH DO YOUR RESEARCH *burns down OPM offices as the world wonders why*

[Esco]

There be new pictures at http://www.virtuafighter.jp/. My lord that is the most hideous picture of Jeffry I've ever seen.

[Nezumiiro]

God Lion really looks like a boy band member now, and they actually found a way to make Goh look creepier.

(Halle Berry edition Vanessa sux)

[INTERNET TOUGHGUY]

I'm starting to dislike the VF series, iown fighters mega mix, VF3TB( Dreamcast ) and VF2( PC ) , and i plan to keep them and master them to the best of my abilty, but after reading the new EGM mag, word is it that the series may stay on ps2.

Shame on sega, they continue to fu** Up. First no nights or sor, no more dc games, then vf on ps2 ugh.

The only good thing that sega has done so far is bring out spike out, which i said is one of the best games i own on xbox, other then that, again sega is going down hill, well full auto will be cool, but sega needs to do more for the fans.

[EvilNeil]

And by that you mean 'develop for dead/unsuccessful consoles'?

Still, I doubt the series will stay on the PS2 for long, I mean, we've got the PS3 coming soon, and that's sure to be an underground elite counterculture smash in every conceivable way.

[cka]

master them to the best of my abilty


pppppppppppppp

[Hayabusa]

but after reading the new EGM mag, word is it that the series may stay on ps2.
I can totally see the PS2 doing justice to Virtua Fighter 7.

[freshie]

I'm starting to dislike the VF series, iown fighters mega mix, VF3TB( Dreamcast ) and VF2( PC ) , and i plan to keep them and master them to the best of my abilty, but after reading the new EGM mag, word is it that the series may stay on ps2.

Shame on sega, they continue to fu** Up. First no nights or sor, no more dc games, then vf on ps2 ugh.

The only good thing that sega has done so far is bring out spike out, which i said is one of the best games i own on xbox, other then that, again sega is going down hill, well full auto will be cool, but sega needs to do more for the fans.

I'm not sure whats stupider, the article or you believing in it.

[Dandy_J]

pppppppppppppp
STUPID you have to throw too